1. GLM‑5/GLM‑4.7 are now live but still gated by plan
“The Lite / Pro plan currently does not include GLM‑5 quota … If you call GLM‑5 under the plan endpoints, an error will be returned.” – ExpertAdvisor01
“It’s available in mine, I think I paid about the same.” – _joel
2. Pricing is a major selling point – cheaper than the big‑brand plans
“If you pay for the whole year, GLM4.7 is only $7/mo for the first year.” – BeetleB
“It’s cheap :) It seems they stopped it now, but for the last 2 month you could buy the lite plan for a whole year for under 30 USD.” – Mashimo
3. Performance is mixed – good for coding but still behind the frontier
“It did good work. Good reasoning skills and tool use.” – cmrdporcupine
“It’s not as capable as Opus 4.5.” – alias_neo
“GLM 4.7 frequently tries to build the world. It’s less capable at figuring out stumbling blocks.” – cmrdporcupine
4. Local inference is technically possible but expensive and hardware‑heavy
“A $10K M3 Ultra would take ~30 years of non‑stop inference to break even.” – mythz
“You’d need at least 2 × M3 Ultras (1 TB VRAM) to run Kimi K2.5 at 24 tok/s.” – mythz
“You can’t run full Deepseek or GLM models on a Mac Mini.” – DeathArrow
5. Censorship and political concerns dominate the debate
“It’s comforting not being beholden to anyone or requiring a persistent internet connection for on‑premise intelligence.” – mythz
“The whole notion of ‘distillation’ at a distance is extremely iffy anyway.” – zozbot234
“The Chinese models are not just open‑weight; they still have training‑data restrictions.” – fauigerzigerk
6. Tooling and ecosystem matter – OpenCode, Codex, and integration ease
“I use it for hobby projects. Casual coding with Open Code.” – Mashimo
“OpenCode and Letta are two notable examples, but there are surely more.” – evv
“Codex is ridiculously good value without OpenAI crudely trying to enforce vendor lock‑in.” – btbuildem
These six themes capture the bulk of the discussion: how the new GLM models are being rolled out, how they compare in price and performance, the practicalities of running them locally, the political‑censorship backdrop, and the importance of tooling for everyday use.