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Grok 4.7

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Hacker News Discussion

📝 Discussion Summary (Click to expand)

Five prevalent themes in the discussion

  1. Grok’s performance vs. other models – Opinions are split: some praise Grok for plain English, strong research, and frontend coding; others call it lazy, dishonest, or inferior for serious work.

    “after using cursor grok & trae.ai for several months , grok curor is highly superior results to trae.ai” – ls1911
    “Grok will end tasks almost immediately and claim ‘Done!’. It's definitely the laziest and most 'dishonest' of all the models.” – slowin
    “My favorite part of the new Groks has been how they speak in plain english.” – moojacob

  2. Criticism of Claude’s verbose “Claudish” style – Many users find Claude’s output overly flowery, hard to understand, and prefer plain or Simple Technical English; workarounds like ASD‑STE100 are suggested.

    “What I notice about Claudish is that it has its preferred cliche’s and overstretched methaphores, it packs too many ideas in a sentence…” – superjan
    “FYI a quick fix for claudish is to ask for the response to be in ASD-STE100 (Simple Technical English).” – smashers1114
    “If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough” – fragmede

  3. Cost, token efficiency, and pricing concerns – Discussions focus on raw token prices versus actual efficiency, cache‑read costs, and benchmark cost‑per‑task comparisons.

    “Apparently Grok 4.7 has 40% more weights than Grok 4.6, but the price ($6 output token, $2 input) is the same.” – moojacob
    “Token price doesn't tell you much without knowing token efficiency.” – dumberquestions
    “Output tokens from Intelligence Index: grok 4.6 (xhigh): 97M (for 44 score); grok 4.7 (xhigh): 240M (for 46 score)” – sourcecodeplz

  4. Political/ethical objections to Grok (Elon Musk) – A notable contingent refuses to use Grok due to Musk’s actions or perceived political baggage.

    “Until Musk owns up to his Nazi salute, I won't be using Grok, sorry. I don't care how good or cheap it is.” – mempko
    “It’s a shame this model has such negative political baggage associated with it. It’s the only one I decided not to run in my LLM benchmarks.” – dom96

  5. Integration with development tools/harnesses (Cursor, Grok Build, OpenRouter) – Users discuss how models perform inside specific environments, benchmark quirks, and practical cost‑benefit in real‑world coding workflows.

    “It's definitely gotten better at image->html workflows. Here's a test comparing Astra … vs Grok 4.7 … Grok 4.7: $12.60, GPT Astra: $35.00” – jjcm
    “Cursor never added Astra to its consumer subscription plans… why would they add support for a model they would have to remove shortly after?” – user43928
    “Perhaps you haven't had the chance to use it, but 3.8 flash is the best model for talking too.” – WarmWash

🚀 Project Ideas

PlainEnglishLLM Proxy

Summary

  • A middleware service that automatically rewrites LLM outputs into Simple Technical English (ASD-STE100) or plain English to eliminate Claudish verbosity.
  • Core value: instantly improve readability and usability of AI-generated text without changing prompts or model choice.

Details

Key Value
Target Audience Developers, technical writers, and anyone frustrated with overly verbose model outputs (e.g., Claude)
Core Feature Real-time transformation of API responses using rule‑based simplifier + optional LLM rephraser
Tech Stack Python, FastAPI, spaCy for rule‑based rewriting; optional local Llama 3 for fluent paraphrasing
Difficulty Medium
Monetization Revenue-ready: subscription tier ($5/mo per user) or usage‑based pricing

Notes

  • HN users praised ASD‑STE100 as a “quick fix for claudish” that makes output “far more readable”【smashers1114】.
  • Provides a practical utility for teams wanting consistent, concise communication from LLMs.

TokenCostAnalyzer

Summary

  • A dashboard that logs LLM API calls, breaks down token usage (input, output, cached reads), and computes cost per task to surface hidden expenses like Grok’s high cache‑read cost.
  • Core value: helps users optimize spending, detect inefficiencies, and choose the most cost‑effective model for each workload.

Details

Key Value
Target Audience Power users of multiple LLMs via OpenRouter or direct APIs who monitor token budgets and costs
Core Feature Automatic ingestion of logs, visual cost breakdown, alerts when cached‑read ratio exceeds a threshold
Tech Stack React frontend, Node.js/Express backend, PostgreSQL for storage, OpenTelemetry for log collection
Difficulty Medium
Monetization Revenue-ready: SaaS with free tier and paid plans starting at $10/mo

Notes

  • HN commenters noted that Grok “obscures their cache pricing” and that “Long running agentic workflows are dominated by cache reads”【GodelNumbering】.
  • Enables data‑driven discussions about model pricing and encourages practical cost‑saving adjustments.

ContextWindowToggler for Cursor/Grok Build

Summary

  • A VS Code/Cursor extension that lets users dynamically adjust the context window size (e.g., 256K vs 500K) sent to the model, balancing quality against token consumption.
  • Core value: gives agentic coding workflows fine‑grained control over credit usage, preventing rapid depletion of subscriptions due to oversized contexts.

Details

Key Value
Target Audience Cursor and Grok Build users who run agentic coding tasks and want to manage token consumption
Core Feature Slider in the editor UI to set max tokens; automatically truncates or summarizes older context before each model call
Tech Stack TypeScript VS Code extension, uses Cursor’s API to intercept and modify requests
Difficulty Low
Monetization Hobby (open source) – optional donations via GitHub Sponsors

Notes

  • Users reported that Grok Build “chews through my SuperGrok sub very quick … due to it having the 500k context window”【everfrustrated】 and wished for a toggle【everfrustrated】.
  • Provides a concrete tool that HN discussants would likely adopt and discuss for improving cost efficiency.

MultiModelResearchComparator

Summary

  • A web tool that runs a single prompt across multiple LLMs (via OpenRouter) and displays side‑by‑side outputs with metrics on verbosity, factuality, and “bullshit” level, highlighting models like Grok that excel at critical research.
  • Core value: lets researchers and analysts quickly identify which model gives the most useful, less‑fluffy answer for a given query.

Details

Key Value
Target Audience Researchers, analysts, and anyone needing to compare model outputs for critical or investigative tasks
Core Feature One‑click comparison of outputs from selected models, optional automated bullshit‑score using a small evaluator LLM
Tech Stack Next.js frontend, OpenRouter API for model calls, Python backend for scoring and aggregation
Difficulty Medium
Monetization Revenue-ready: pay‑per‑use credits (e.g., $0.001 per comparison) or monthly subscription ($8/mo)

Notes

  • HN users observed that Grok “does good research and produces less bullshit, especially when prompted to be critical of an idea”【artemonster】.
  • Sparks discussion about model strengths beyond raw benchmarks and offers practical utility for prompt engineers.

FrontendFocusedBenchmark Suite

Summary

  • An open‑source benchmark suite focused on frontend web development tasks (e.g., converting design images to HTML/CSS/JS, implementing interactive components) to highlight model strengths like Grok’s frontend prowess.
  • Core value: fills the gap for task‑specific evaluations, helping teams pick models that truly excel at frontend work.

Details

Key Value
Target Audience Frontend engineers, dev‑tool product managers, AI evaluators seeking specialized performance data
Core Feature Set of frontend tasks with automated scoring (pixel‑diff, functional tests via Playwright) and a public leaderboard
Tech Stack GitHub Actions for CI, Node.js/Playwright for test execution, PostgreSQL for results storage
Difficulty High (requires designing and validating realistic frontend tasks)
Monetization Hobby (open source) – potential sponsorships or paid premium task packs

Notes

  • Commenters noted that “post cursor groks are phenomenal at frontend web development, though Claude is much better at backend ruby”【tk90】.
  • Encourages practical discussion about where each model shines and gives teams a concrete tool to guide model selection.

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