The three most prevalent themes in this Hacker News discussion are:
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The Erosion of Perceived U.S. Moral Authority and Commitment to International Law: Many users expressed cynicism regarding the historical and current adherence of the United States to the ideals of objective justice, suggesting that U.S. foreign policy has always prioritized self-interest over high moral ground.
- Supporting Quote: One user contrasted past perceptions with present reality, stating, "Looks like that time has passed," referring to the US taking the law seriously. Another user suggested that previous belief in U.S. ideals was due to effective propaganda: "It's now clearer than ever that US never really believed in its own ideals or took their own laws seriously, there are too many situations pointing at the opposite being true," according to embedding-shape.
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Hypocrisy in International Law and Historical Accountability: There was significant discussion comparing historical U.S. actions (like Jim Crow, the bombing of Tokyo, and treatment of Native Americans) with the standards applied to other nations, particularly in the context of the Nuremberg trials and the establishment of "Crimes Against Humanity."
- Supporting Quote: One user pointed out selective application during World War II prosecution: "American involvement in the Nuremberg trials set the stage for the modern era of international law. It began with the United States, along with the allied nations, constructing a post-facto legal definition of crime against humanity that somehow included the Holocaust but excluded both the American campaign in Japan and various Russian war crimes on the Western Front," said TimorousBestie.
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The Ineffectiveness and Realpolitik Nature of International Institutions (like the ICC): Several commenters doubted the genuine efficacy of international bodies like the International Criminal Court (ICC), viewing them as secondary to national power and diplomacy, regardless of sanctions applied against them.
- Supporting Quote: A user summarized this view by saying, "The very concept of an International Criminal Court, operating in some idealistic moral space above war and diplomacy, is completely divorced from the reality of realpolitik and total war," according to chatmasta. Another user countered this doubt by noting the practical impact of the organization: "If it's so useless, why bother to sanction it?" noted RobotToaster.