Prevalent themes in the discussion
- Mass surveillance expansion by ICE/DHS (including ERO ONE and Flock cameras)
- “one of the components that caused former intelligence contractors’ concern was that ERO ONE agents will analyze both classified and nonclassified information to produce “network, link and relationship” analyses.” – runako
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“Your DEP starts trawling the cell phone location records to nab some guy who sold bad dirt. Your traffic cameras tell law enforcement how to tailor their revenue generation toward those who can't push back.” – cucumber3732842
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Due‑process violations and supralegal powers leading to illegal detention/deportation of U.S. citizens
- “This is surveillance as part of a department that explicitly says it is not bound by US law or the Constitution.” – runako
- “18 U.S.C. § 242: Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law.” – mpalmer
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“US citizens cannot be deported.” – runako
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Bipartisan complicity – the surveillance state grows regardless of which party is in power
- “Surveillance expanded under Obama and Biden. It would have expanded under Clinton or Harris. It will expand under the next Democratic President and it will expand under the next Republican one.” – pc86
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“While Republicans certainly have a focus on illegal immigration, support for spying on American citizens is hardly a partisan issue.” – biddit
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Calls to dismantle or radically reform ICE/DHS (abolish ICE, break up DHS)
- “Abolishing ICE and DHS is the baseline for Democrats I support going forward.” – SwellJoe
- “Obviously we're not talking about getting rid of FAA or FEMA, but rather breaking up DHS back how it was before and getting rid of ICE.” – QuercusMax