1. Jimmy Lai as a principled martyr for free speech
Many defend Lai's courage against China's crackdown, rejecting claims the term "martyr" is overstated.
"Jimmy Lai is more courageous and principled than anyone you've probably ever met in your life. He'll die in prison for his belief that speech should be free in Hong Kong." - ch4s3
"This man will spend the rest of his (possibly short?) life in prison for the crime of publishing ideas that the government didn't like." - idiotsecant
2. Western miscalculation: investment in China failed to yield liberalization
Consensus that the West hoped (or rationalized) economic engagement would democratize China, but it entrenched state capitalism.
"If there was one critical miscalculation the West... made... it was thinking that investment in China would equal liberalization and democratic reforms." - lenerdenator
"The 'economic democratization' argument was a 1990s-era framing to reduce opposition to the PRC joining GATT/WTO." - alephnerd
3. Critiques of capitalism vs. China's state capitalism
Debate on capitalism's societal failures (e.g., birth rates, housing) vs. China's overbuilds but overall successes under state control.
"Markets can't decide 'families can have only one child'... Capitalism is geared towards minimizing workers' free time." - cogman10
"China has massively overbuilt housing supply... Capitalism (Western style) will win... An accumulation of fuck-ups... is inevitable." - slibhb