1. Redefining “end user” & preserving network control
“Unless you own your hardware, you aren’t the end user.” – iso1631
“The only influence I have over what ‘my’ phone does is monitoring and blocking what it connects to when it’s on my network.” – iso1631
2. Cloudflare’s centralisation and its impact
“Cloudflare spreads everywhere and kills the drive to do nice things.” – dormento
“Cloudflare is a blight on the internet, but HN loves it.” – iso1631
3. The RFC’s limited scope & practical reality
“The RFC is attempting to clarify the IETF’s official position. The IETF is not the internet police, and can’t make other actors obey.” – pocksuppet
“sorry but that ship has sailed.” – reactordev