Three prevailing themes
| Theme | Key idea | Supporting quotes |
|---|---|---|
| 1. Ivanti is a security liability | Users see the company’s products as dangerous, even “malware dressed‑up as security solutions.” | mmsc: “Every single Ivanti product (including their SSL‑VPN) should be considered a critical threat.” mmsc: “These companies should be shut down in the name of national security, seriously.” |
| 2. The industry sells illusion through checklists and insurance | Cyber‑security firms are judged by compliance boxes, not by real protection; lawsuits and liability are murky. | Nextgrid: “The purpose of cybersecurity products and companies is not to sell security… it’s to sell the illusion of security.” strbean: “In most cases, you can’t evade liability for negligence that results in personal injury.” bootsmann: “Insurance doesn’t pay out if you don’t self‑report in time.” |
| 3. Real security requires engineering, not off‑the‑shelf fixes | Automation and a security‑by‑design mindset are needed; checklists alone are insufficient. | RGamma: “There need to be much more powerful automated tools.” nostrademons: “Real security isn’t something that a checklist can guarantee.” w10‑1: “You are asserting that security has to be hand‑crafted.” |
These three threads—Ivanti’s perceived danger, the industry’s reliance on compliance, and the call for genuine engineering—dominate the discussion.