Four prevalent themes in the discussion
- Toyota’s historically anti‑EV stance and delayed electrification
- “and all it took was two decades and millions of spend in anti‑EV lobbying before they finally gave in, huh” – paimapi
- “Toyota isn't so much pro‑internal combustion as pro‑hydrogen. They bet on the wrong horse … and it cost them heavily.” – CamperBob2
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“Toyota has become the top auto industry financier of climate deniers… It has helped to finance campaigns of 207 climate‑denying congressional candidates…” – paimapi (citing Citizen.org article)
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Hybrids/PHEVs as a sufficient or superior path to emissions reduction
- “They have done more to reduce carbon emissions than any other automaker. Hybrids, particularly plug‑in hybrids, achieve most of the benefits of EVs without any of the trade‑offs…” – asdfginoi
- “Toyota was broadly right in their approach to EVs. They were pioneers in hybrids… Their low end cars are extremely fuel efficient…” – RajuChacha108
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“Public policy should not insist on one technology to the exclusion of viable alternatives.” – asdfginoi
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Charging infrastructure and home‑charging practicality as a key barrier
- “You don't need a home charger to enjoy driving an EV. A home charger is a bonus to driving an EV.” – WorldMaker
- “The charger situation though is real friction… It is unreliable transport without having a home charger.” – asdff
- “If you average under 50 miles of driving per day this might work just fine” (Level‑1 120 V charging) – stetrain
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“My electric panel is full. If I want to add an EV charger… I first have to replace the electric panel… minimum $5000…” – TedDoesntTalk
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Desire for simple, analog, low‑tech EVs that feel like a “normal car”
- “Pure analog. No telemetry. No cellular connection. Real rack and pinion again. Real gauges… Basically, your car in 2003, with the gas engine replaced with an electric motor.” – asdff
- “I don’t mind analogue buttons… but with the Tesla I now own I'm always wondering what people are using all these buttons for…” – EricMay
- “The closest thing I could find to a ‘normal car but electric’ was the Hyundai Kona EV… There are physical controls for the temperature and volume, and the door handles aren't stupid.” – sgarrity
- “My father has a hybrid model… It has physical controls for the radio, for AC… You can absolutely drive it without ever having to interact with the touchscreen while doing normal things.” – vladvasiliu